when you put them back into the presidency barack obama, who ignored, ignored his own deficit panel on recommendations. on the other thing, as a tactical matter, the republicans punting, i think it's a smart thing. you know, i think if they're going to really go to battle on this thing, they've got to get their acts together and have a game plan. because i'm telling you-- >> get their ax-- >> and if we default, this country is going to go through some major, major issues, and government's going to stop working and that's going to affect a lot of people. and we have not been through, when two-thirds of the federal government has shut down. >> adam, adam, this is it, charlie put it it in a nutshell, the scare tactic, that we're obligated to this mountain of debt until it falls on top of us, if that's the only route we have. >> we are, but let me try put this in perspective. i absolutely agree with you, charles, politicians should be prepared to lose their jobs on major issues. there comes a gut check time. i'm going to do what's right. now, the question is, is this that time? i don't
